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Shomei
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Okay. So there's fire, there's water, there's air. But then we come to 'earth'. Earth, as currently in NWE, has no distinguishing characteristics other than they control the earth. Fair enough. But earth has a very wide range, wider than Air, who controls only air, and Water, who controls only water, but not Ice, even though ice is a form of water.

I propose that we split up the 'Earth' element into two: one that deals with dirt, rocks, stones, gems, earthquakes, and other things that just have to deal with the ground, and the other to do with growing things, and plants and trees and flowers and all that good stuff.

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In the Chinese elements, there's fire, water, earth(as in dirt) and air, but there's also what's called, 'Wood', which is exactly what it sounds like. By giving 'Earth' both 'Dirt' and 'Wood' characteristics, it's not fair for the other wolves who have 'Water', but cannot control 'Ice'; to those who have 'Electricity' but cannot control 'Fire', because afterall, most fires start from electricity.

In Bionicle, omg yes I'm bringing that up. There are six 'main' elements; Fire, Water, Air, Ice, Earth, and Stone. Earth as compared to 'Dirt', and Stone as compared to 'Rock'. However, it is hard to distinguish. But there is also the element of 'Plant-life', which is again exactly what it sounds like. You control the lives of plants and flowers an good stuff like that.

In Pokemon, yes, I'm bringing that out too, 'Earth' elements, like Geodude (who is also Rock, by the way) cannot control any plant-based attacks, instead its attacks of choice are 'Rock Slide', 'Rock Tomb', 'Earthquake'. Not 'Absorb,' or 'Solar Beam', or 'Ingrain', or 'Growth'. But Grass-type Pokemon have very few 'Earth' or 'Rock' type moves. Thier array includes, 'Vine whip', 'Razor Blade', and 'Bullet Seed'.

Also, most of the 'Earth' wolves we have now are plant-based, with the exception of Richter (who is now dead) who caused earthquakes, and for the most part was more of a 'Dirt' elemental. (But he did grow plants-once) But for the most part caused earthquakes.

'Earth' and 'Stone' are interchangeable, that's why I'm not proposing we split them up. However, 'Dirt' and 'Plants' are very different, so they should be split up.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Thank you for reading.



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Changing Earth after there are already wolves of the Earth element seems unfair, but I do see your point on the "stone/rock/ground" element, we could stick Earth to more of the greenary types, while it would be hard to do that completely since Enki can control the weather every now and then.

It is a very good idea, and I like it, but I feel that it would have to be agreed upon by everyone owning an Earth wolf, seeing as though their powers would be limited against what they already can do.

We could always incorperate a 'ground' type of wolf, rather than 'Earth,' Limit Earth to Earthy stuff not having to do with dirt and rocks, and stick with that, seems the most reasonable, but I'd have to talk about it with Earth wolves and of course, Evil dragon.

I do like this idea, I just don't want to upset anyone, if no one has a problem with it, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

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Aye. *nods* And ah...As unfair as it may seem, I have no 'Earth' wolf, and therefore I vote yes. X3

But thank you for considering. ^^

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From my point of View, I've never had Nora use her powers like shifting the ground or moving rocks, I've always had her to the plant thing, Seems like a cool idea to add some sort of rock\ground element.

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I actually have been considering this for a little. It'd be nice to sub group each one. For the plant ones, I was going to keep them with "Earth" and just put a little reminder/side note in the information that it's only plant like. Normally, when I think of Earth, I think more plants. We could very well create a Ground one. Or we could call it Ground Earth and Green Earth.

To make it interesting, there could be an inborn feud between those two subgroups to try and see which "Earth" wolf is better. If you understand what I'm getting at. Like it's rare for those two to be friends or whatnot.

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That does sound good! And the ground wolves could be more hard headed and rougher then the sweet and soft spoken green earth wolves....

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Yep, but those Green Earth wolves could be 'thorny' little pricks toward Ground wolves. ;D Haha,

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hahahaha nice pun!!!! But I do think that this could be a good idea haha.

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Yeah with the current earth elemental wolves in play, I dont think we would have an issue seperating the groups into Earth/flora and Earth/stone. From what I have red around (including my own Anar) dirt, stone, gem etc manipulation has not been done at all we have really only done plant stuff.
My opinion though would not be to form an Earth "Subgroup" but rather to put a new element into the fray, calling it the "Dirt" wolf (which does not sound so appealing) or the "Ground" wolf (Whihc is getting better).
These types of wolves could be in-tune with the ground in the sense that they affect the tectonics and are able to target and affect earthquake epicentres, open great chasms etc.
I think it mayy be confusing to make it a sub group just because there would be rather different characteristics as mentioned earlier by Kammi with the sweeter Earthies vs the rougher Groundies. We are also taking into account confusion that earth is over manipulating its powers an eg given had been how water wolf cant affect ice though that is water in a different state. But think about it, so many elements overlap with each other and cause other elements to spring up and vice versa that I think its more a common sense thing in what your wolf can do, again further eg (and I just realised that my small comment has actually grown to a couple of paragraphs, but think about it, your getting a good read, no?) anyway further eg, Ground wolf causes earthquakes, but in real life, what causes those? Well its actually tectonic shifts underground caused by convection currents in the Earth's core...these are in the Magma...shouldnt fire wolves be able to control this magma? Anyways thats delving deep, but like with the eletricity causing fires, the fires would be a consequence of first letting loose electricity, like it hitting a tree or dry leaves, so its not really making fire without an external source. Anyway all these were just to point out that elements overlap and that its a given that it will happen...lets just role with it :P

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Wow Roy, random burst of knowledge and opinions there, lol.

You all prove good points, and I am really liking this 'Ground Earth Green Earth' Role, it could even be a surprise, not knowing which to take on, but you must choose one or the other.

Very good, very good indeed. 

 

Thanks for bringing this matter up, Ben!



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O.o *pokes Zorro's post* Hun, what we got that is not a few paragraphs. It's a giant godzilla-sized sentance. Wow. you are indeed opinionated. ^^ Thanks, though.

I guess now we need to choose names...?

Earth adn Ground?

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Lol i forgot to paragraph my sentencing, i blame my english teacher lol
Lets go with Earth and Gemdivers :P

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Ha ha ha and thanks Mun, lol once I got started it was hard to stop, my knowledge rant lol

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I like the Flora name Roy mentioned earlier

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Gemdivers? WTH? XD Are you crazy? taht sounds like a species of fantastic sci-fi moles that you can choose to be in an MMORPG.

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lol welll rock wolves would go gem...diving, no? lol flora is a decent name, thannks kammi

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Lol your welcome :D

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...Um...No? And I think that Munsteh was talking about leaving the 'Earth' to mean 'Flora', while the 'Dirt' portion takes on a different name.

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Wouldn't gems and rocks be with the ground part of the element? So yes they probably would hunt for gems...

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Imagine the look of a wolf made from gem!!!! :P

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Correct, Earth would remain as a name for the vegetation part.

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yeah understandable, Earth is good as it is!! lol Call the other ones "Rockies" and they have to have boxing as a power lol

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Oh yes, they'd all have tiger eyes too if that was the case. Haha

But, name wise. It could be Terrain, Bedrock (These wolves could almost have a prehistoric feel, maybe?) or Land-Shifters...so original. Haha

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Hmmm I like Bedrock haha

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I like Bedrock....hmm there is also "Mineral"

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But not all rocks are 'mineral'. Didn't you ever play the Magic School Bus? XD

Let's go Latin with Terra. XD Because that's so original.

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Lol Latin? hahah Why?

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Why Not.. Land.

Earth, and Land. Hehehe!, simple.

I personally would not want a 'dirt' wolf. XD Anything but that!!!!

Land Wolves, Earth Wolves... does it sound good, or am I dumb?

Or..

Yeah, Terra Wolves is catchy too. I like that Ben!



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Because Latin is amazing.

Nos es sic frigus!

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But It has nothing to do with plants or rocks haha, it's a language...

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but technically if you think abuot it, every wolf is a land wolf...they all walk on it lol

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Except for Enkai. *pokes*

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Kammi, I think you were a bit thrown off, Ben didn't mean Latin wolf for the name, she meant "going Latin" with the word Terra, which is the Latin word for .. Land, ground, somethin like that. :) And I agree, Terra wolf does have a nice ring to it, but evil and I will announce the new names of these two distinguished elements upon the arrival of the others, so it is time to wait and see.

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TERRA! TERRA! TERRA *chants*



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